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fluidrider
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 Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 8:21 pm Post subject: Help me understand |
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Why in the f%^& are people riding the trails right after and during the rain? Why do you not wait for the trail to dry out? Are people that stupid or just don't care enough. Cause thats what happening to Starz, Randy's and from what I read on NSMB Burnaby Mtn, Burke, shit everywhere. I don't get it. Do people not realize the damage this causes to the trails?
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davem
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| Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 10:45 am Post subject: |
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well look at it this way, you called me yesterday to go for a ride didn't you?
other people are no different than you, they just want to ride.
We've all ridden in wet weather, some of my best rides have been in wet weather. People that don't maintain trails don't know the damage it causes. Some people that do maintain trails ride when it's wet because they feel they've put in the time and have earned the right to ride. And some people just like to ride their bikes.
It's not an answer to your question, but it should help you understand.
btw I didn't ride yesterday because it was too wet.
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fluidrider
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| Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 11:28 am Post subject: |
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| davem wrote: | well look at it this way, you called me yesterday to go for a ride didn't you?
other people are no different than you, they just want to ride.
We've all ridden in wet weather, some of my best rides have been in wet weather. People that don't maintain trails don't know the damage it causes. Some people that do maintain trails ride when it's wet because they feel they've put in the time and have earned the right to ride. And some people just like to ride their bikes.
It's not an answer to your question, but it should help you understand.
btw I didn't ride yesterday because it was too wet. |
Sorry not good enough Dave, espeacially when DO NOT RIDE signs are posted. Anyway, yes I did call you for a XC road hill climb. |
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davem
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| Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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| fluidrider wrote: | | davem wrote: | well look at it this way, you called me yesterday to go for a ride didn't you?
other people are no different than you, they just want to ride.
We've all ridden in wet weather, some of my best rides have been in wet weather. People that don't maintain trails don't know the damage it causes. Some people that do maintain trails ride when it's wet because they feel they've put in the time and have earned the right to ride. And some people just like to ride their bikes.
It's not an answer to your question, but it should help you understand.
btw I didn't ride yesterday because it was too wet. |
Sorry not good enough Dave, espeacially when DO NOT RIDE signs are posted. Anyway, yes I did call you for a XC road hill climb. |
oh I agree, but you can either drive yourself crazy getting mad about it or just accept that it's going to happen. People aren't going to change.
I just got back from a wet, muddy ride on a trail that was built to be ridden in the wet and mud. I likely should have stayed home cause I crashed pretty good and now I've got a big owie
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gazz man
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| Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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well as i understand the sport of riding is that you can do it come rain or shine. The trails are made to get full use off if we want them to stay perfect then close them off and make a show and tell out of them. You can learn a lot of skills from riding in the rain if whister closed everytime it rained then it would be shut 50% of the summer. One of the perks of living in vancouver i guess its a wet place.
No dis-respect to you though jon you and others have put a lot of time and effort in these trails and im fairly new to riding on these mountines but people just want to have fun.
The trails are built well enough to under go wet weather riding so it shouldnt course much harm and damage. Especially if the local riders respect the mountine  |
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Sk8r
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| Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 9:41 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Do people not realize the damage this causes to the trails? |
Hmmm, to play the devil's advocate....
1. Some people know better and don't care.
2. Naiveté, a trail is a trail, rain or shine (especially if you've been riding fire roads and similar as a beginner).
2b. When I first started, I asked people (read store guys*) and they just pointed me to the rain gear — just for riding in the wet. *not to be confused with the good store guys (riders) vs the "It's the last one we got, it might seem that a 14" bike might be too small for 6'7" bloke like yourself, but that's how this mountain bike fits" guys.
3. Forgetfulness — I was going to run out to Starz yesterday, the weather has been pretty good, I'd completely overlooked the fact that it had rained last night, fortunately DM reminded me of Starz trail policy so I didn't go.
4. "You spent how much on your bike" syndrome — it's not built out of cardboard it wont melt, so I should be able to ride in all conditions.
4b. I'm not made out of sugar, so I won't melt either... thinking about your manly (or womanly) machismo first and the trail needs second.
5. Some people like riding in the wet/rain/mud.
5b. The trails are less crowed.
5c. Between kids, work, and other obligations, the only time I can ride is [fill in day of the week], so that's when I ride.
5d. Cabin fever... haven't ridden in so long, any chance is taken.
6. Trail builders, if you spent time armouring up a trail, building drainage, and wood over stream flows...just so you can ride in the wet, you might assume all trails are built in the same way... to be weather resistant.
6b. Trail location, makes a difference too, trails on the lee side of a rainshadow get much wetter, those on the dryer stoss side less so. Or just location in general, compare a flat area near a creek like Jims Jungle (flat, muddy) with upper North Road on Bby mtn...
7. It's Vancouver, this is a Temperate Moist Forest zone, it is going to be wet a lot... |
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fluidrider
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| Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 10:44 am Post subject: |
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| Sk8r wrote: | | Quote: | | Do people not realize the damage this causes to the trails? |
Hmmm, to play the devil's advocate....
1. Some people know better and don't care.
2. Naiveté, a trail is a trail, rain or shine (especially if you've been riding fire roads and similar as a beginner).
2b. When I first started, I asked people (read store guys*) and they just pointed me to the rain gear — just for riding in the wet. *not to be confused with the good store guys (riders) vs the "It's the last one we got, it might seem that a 14" bike might be too small for 6'7" bloke like yourself, but that's how this mountain bike fits" guys.
3. Forgetfulness — I was going to run out to Starz yesterday, the weather has been pretty good, I'd completely overlooked the fact that it had rained last night, fortunately DM reminded me of Starz trail policy so I didn't go.
4. "You spent how much on your bike" syndrome — it's not built out of cardboard it wont melt, so I should be able to ride in all conditions.
4b. I'm not made out of sugar, so I won't melt either... thinking about your manly (or womanly) machismo first and the trail needs second.
5. Some people like riding in the wet/rain/mud.
5b. The trails are less crowed.
5c. Between kids, work, and other obligations, the only time I can ride is [fill in day of the week], so that's when I ride.
5d. Cabin fever... haven't ridden in so long, any chance is taken.
6. Trail builders, if you spent time armouring up a trail, building drainage, and wood over stream flows...just so you can ride in the wet, you might assume all trails are built in the same way... to be weather resistant.
6b. Trail location, makes a difference too, trails on the lee side of a rainshadow get much wetter, those on the dryer stoss side less so. Or just location in general, compare a flat area near a creek like Jims Jungle (flat, muddy) with upper North Road on Bby mtn...
7. It's Vancouver, this is a Temperate Moist Forest zone, it is going to be wet a lot... |
Fair enough sK8r and great reply, |
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fluidrider
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| Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 12:18 pm Post subject: |
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| gazz man wrote: | well as i understand the sport of riding is that you can do it come rain or shine. The trails are made to get full use off if we want them to stay perfect then close them off and make a show and tell out of them. You can learn a lot of skills from riding in the rain if whister closed everytime it rained then it would be shut 50% of the summer. One of the perks of living in vancouver i guess its a wet place.
No dis-respect to you though jon you and others have put a lot of time and effort in these trails and im fairly new to riding on these mountines but people just want to have fun.
The trails are built well enough to under go wet weather riding so it shouldnt course much harm and damage. Especially if the local riders respect the mountine |
I agree with you too Gary, however, some trails just can't handle wet weather riding. Locally lower Eagle and lower Burke trails come to mind.
Armouring an entire trail with rocks and wood ramps in order to protect a trail from erosion and widening is a ton of work and ugly as hell just because riders can't use commen sense. I do not want see see our trails turn into CBC or Seventh. |
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tobin
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| Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 12:29 pm Post subject: |
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| the natural Starz line sure affords much better drainage than the other two. even if its the next day after rain i always try and stic to that rather than gunk up the others. |
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clown
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| Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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If I didn't ride whenever it rained I wouldn't get too many rides in in a year. That being said though.....I do ride selectively when it is raining.
There are some great trails that stand up to wet weather riding.
Plus wiping out on snot-slick roots in the rain is great training for wiping out on the same sticky, dry roots when it's sunny out 
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nubbyg
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| Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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In the fall I took an intermediate rider friend on Crickum Crankum on Fromme. It's a worn out, chewed up mess. I guess that's what happens when a trail is way over-ridden.
When the weather sucks, we usually just do up and overs into Bunzen and back up the road. Sometimes SFU. Nicole's used to hold up in the wet. Maybe not anymore. Gear jammer's closed because it's washed out. |
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Sk8r
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Just teasing...
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fluidrider
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| Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Yes some of my best rides have been in the rain. |
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demo
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| Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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| fluidrider wrote: | | Anyway, yes I did call you for a XC road hill climb. |
i call BS. Calling Dave for an XC road hill climb just doesn't add up(Sorry Dave).....or have things changed that much in the month i've been gone. |
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fluidrider
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| Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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| demo wrote: | | fluidrider wrote: | | Anyway, yes I did call you for a XC road hill climb. |
i call BS. Calling Dave for an XC road hill climb just doesn't add up(Sorry Dave).....or have things changed that much in the month i've been gone. |
I climb from my place to the top of Randy's via your street quite often.
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